please help,need some advice.
my daughter married a jw last april without telling us.
i suspect she thought we wouldn't approve.
Well since you have clarified your "good advice", I will withdraw my endorsement from your "not good" clarifications .
Sorry If I mis-read it. Your biases should not make you give bad advice and ignorerules . For instance, if the roles were reversed, you would change your advice based on your biases. That is wrong. People would rail gainst the JW mother. Double standard.
It does sound like everybody invloved in Katys situation (Katy included) has their head on straight.
please help,need some advice.
my daughter married a jw last april without telling us.
i suspect she thought we wouldn't approve.
It has nothing to do with such trivial concerns... the matter has to do with WHO SHOULD GET TO DECIDE whether she can hang storks.Who her daughter allows to be in control of her life is a matter of the utmost importance. Because nobody but her daughter could possibly know, better than she, what is in her own best interests.
God gave us all a conscience for a reason. And that reason is not to discard it for the conscience of another person who is just as capable of self-delusion as anybody else.
I Agree, but as I am sure you agree, it is the daughters choice who she lets influence her decisions. It is the mothers job to respect that and not be intrusive. I think you agree with the rule in the above. Same if the roles were reversed, if it was the JW mother in law that was imposing her values on her daughter-in-law- the advice would be the same.
Anyway, I think AnewMe gave the best advice to be given here. I think this situation sounds pretty harmless and they will get along and be happy.
Congrats on the grand-baby :>)
please help,need some advice.
my daughter married a jw last april without telling us.
i suspect she thought we wouldn't approve.
Katy - "death to the pixies" has never been a JW and has no idea what he's talking about. He is only posting here to attack the weak and vulnerable - due to a screw loose in his head. There is a good book called "Combatting Cult Mind Control" by Steve Hassan and you may find his website helpful too (sorry it's late and I don't have the address). best wishes, unclebruce.
HaHa UNCB... It sounds like things are good now between her and her daughter, why go out of her way to make trouble? Does she want a divorce for her daughter so she can hang storks?
not looking to debate here, just getting some ideas.
if you would, please give which text you accept and briefly give a reason or two for your conclusions.
i posted this on another forum but realized the only people who care about this are jws and x-jws.
Thanks for the link.
please help,need some advice.
my daughter married a jw last april without telling us.
i suspect she thought we wouldn't approve.
Unless she starts to act wierd around you, I would not make any deal out of it. That may needlessly put strain on the situation. It sounds like everything will be fine.
not looking to debate here, just getting some ideas.
if you would, please give which text you accept and briefly give a reason or two for your conclusions.
i posted this on another forum but realized the only people who care about this are jws and x-jws.
Not looking to debate here, just getting some ideas. If you would, please give which text you accept and briefly give a reason or two for your conclusions. I posted this on another forum but realized the only people who care about this are Jws and X-Jws.
The LXX reads: "And all the land shall be a desolation: and they shall serve among the nations seventy years" The MT reads: " And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years."
Thanks for any input you share.
jehovah's witnesses: eclipses are natural happenings
ghanaweb.com - 2 minutes ago comment box join in accra, march 27, gna - eclipses are natural happenings that occur with regularity and do not represent a threat nor carry some prediction of calamity, jehovah's witnesses said on monday.
jehovah's witnesses: eclipses are natural happeningsaccra, march 27, gna - eclipses are natural happenings that occur with regularity and do not represent a threat nor carry some prediction of calamity, jehovah's witnesses said on monday.. .
Um, context fellas..As always hate to rain on the parade....
This was written in Ghana, the Branch committe was asked their opinion on "eclipses". Apparently some native Ghanaians hold a different view. The Branch committee was just answering a question posed... Lord B'gord.
hello again from sunny north carolina!!!.
our state lotto started today, and i won 15 dollars, and only bought 1 $1 card.
so whoop whoop for gambling.. i was in miami florida last week for the photoshop world conference, but i also got to tour the everglades, where i took some beautiful pictures.
Funny, I did not know you could eat flock books.
...apparently i ordered a copy over the internet in a drunken online shopping rage.. .
btw...i am glad i ordered the book...been meaning to read it for awhile.. .
luv, jojo
No doubt being tongue-in-cheek eh Marry?
As far as pictures, there were too many. Like the bit with the tapes in his "Aftermath". Homeboy documents each of his letters (which tries the patience of any sane person) and puts them in full in the book. Maybe a recap of this story Mr. Franz?
Now c'mon, this is Kitties thread.......... make fun of her.
as an able apologist for jw dogma, i am wondering whether you give me answers with scriptural backing for a few questions.
in other words, whatever your answer is i would like scriptures to support the answer.
i hope that is not too much to ask.. (1) was charles taze russell ever the "faithful and wise steward" assigned to give people their "portion of meat in due season"?.
I do dispute the comment. The Ethiopian eunuch was a proselyte who had just come from "worshipping at Jerusalem." It was impossible to have a proeslyte from among Gentiles without having religious contact with them. Jesus noted that the Pharisees would traverse dry land and sea to make one proselyte—from among people who were Gentiles.
Paul walked among the temples of Athens and went into Jewish synagogues and temples on many occasions to preach to and reason with those present.
Reply: You should not really be disputing this comment bro. It is a tad argumentative to do so, and it is contextually strained . Jesus is discussing how to treat an unrepentent brother. This is the back-drop to treating the man as a "publican" and a "tax collector". Looking for exceptions when Jesus is speaking in general is improper. In your view, one could worship with a Non-believer? This is how we are to treat an unreprentent sinner? This voids any hope of counsel derived from Jesus' words and leaves us with a non-statement. I could go to the Talmud and other Jewish sources which make expiclit what the act of "removing the wicked" meant to them, but I think it will have little impact, and maybe rightfully so.
And the examples you give are not "religious contact" :>) At least not in the sense spoken of by Barnes , myself and nearly every commentator. (I can cite many more) The Ethopian Eunuch was a Gentile worshiper of YHWH, not the non-believing "in general" Gentile Jesus was making comparison to. You can't make these mistakes, you have to clean that up if I may politely, but firmly say that. You actually quote Christians preaching Christ to non-believers as a supposed parrallel! I felt you should have conceded this point, religious contact, that is worshipping alongside and with a non-believer was an unacceptable practice amongst Jews. They were to have no "religious contact", which ties in to your queston you asked of me rather nicely. As I implied previously, I am willing to leave the dogmatism alone in your specific case.
I was willing to budge on the Privateness of the JC, but I question it's relevence in todays Society, and the supposed mandate to have it done that way, as there is none for the Christian congregation. Not that your way alleviates any problems, but rather only magnifies them to embarrassing (for the accused) heights. You reject my compromise but do not give any reason why, but instead continue to argue against the part I was willing to budge on!
I certainly dispute that I was putting meaning into the word. Perhaps you have never studied out the other contexts in which this word is used in the NT? I am deriving the identical meaning from the word as that arrived at by Greek scholars. The fact that the rebuke is to be given "before" witnesses and for the purpose of causing them to understand what conduct was wrong and why.
Reply: If the context requires so by grammar and construction for it to be understood that way, then that is what we need from your "non-cursory study" of "elegcho", ie..If Paul said to reprove, and try before all on-lookers, that is decided by context, not lexical meaning, the fact you are trying to get to your conclusion based on the meaning of "elegcho" is odd. You go on to quote different translations which say the exact same thing as my translation, so you wasted some space there. Sorry, but Jws do rebuke before Witnesses, so I just cannot see how you feel you have made a point here with the defintion of the word. A Public reproof in JW-land is done because people were privy to the offense, they see the person rebuked "publicly", they now have a fear of committing the same offense.
You went on to attempt to give a overview of how knowledge is recieved ,even though the context was infallibilty and perfect revelation of truth, something that even the most direct recipients of the scriptures below did not even have BTW. So this hardly addresses the point, even so we continue:
Not to distract from the necessity imposed by these two unanswered question, I will put forward a perfectly workable solution to the problem of communication from God.
John 14:15-17,26
John 16:7,12-16
1 John 2:26-29
Reply: John is writing Christians collectively (the plural "YOU" both in NWT and ALT) and shows that they (plural) do not need anyone teaching them because the spirit will do so. This does not disagree with the unity speeches of Paul and the methods the group as whole use to achieve a forward unity that results into a grown man. This does not disagree with my interp of the scrips in my last post. Actually, if the Body "grows into a mature Man" that implies growing pains and adjusting/correcting the body in various ways.. I did indeed answer questions 1 and 2 (2 being being a needles repetetion), I obviously see no conflict, I just disagree with your opinions on this. You have not proven otherwise I might add. You went on to ask even more questions, but given the fact you completely ignored the only direct question I asked of you (Hebrews 13 and who does it apply to to you) I have grown weary of continuing in this manner.
I will give you the last word here, but hey, we kinda came to an agreement on one point, and this better than most discussions of these nature. I do think you need to re-examine the bulk of your arguement, but that is just my opinion, as always feel free to disregard.
Thanks for the discussion,
Lynn.
